S5E26: Overcoming Anxiety - Replacing Fear with Faith

JClay:

If I reminded you that you are perfect, would you argue me down or step into your perfection? Welcome to perfect, where there are no excuses, no I'm Jay Clay, rapper, a spiritual teacher with my cohost Troy Washington, your friendly neighborhood realtor. Let's be real. So let's be perfect. Perfect.

JClay:

Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect.

Troy Washington:

Yeah. What up? What up? Welcome to perfect mode. And first off, let me start by telling y'all that we love y'all.

Troy Washington:

We're grateful for the opportunity to be anywhere sharing our thoughts, hopefully, and helping you realize that you are perfect. And the reason why I can say that unapologetically is because I know that you are one of one numero uno. You cannot be replicated, duplicated. And the only reason the only reason you think that you're not, if you're looking at this person on the side of you and saying, I'm not them. But guess what?

Troy Washington:

You are you, and that's all you need. And, of course, it's yours truly, Troy Washington, your friendly neighborhood realtor. And I have my boy, Jay Clay, spiritual rapper and teacher, and we about to jump on and talk about overcoming anxiety, replacing fear with faith. Overcoming anxiety, replacing fear with faith. What up, Jay?

JClay:

Yo. Yo. What up? Happy Sunday to all my perfect people in perfect land. He had the perfect time at the perfect place ready to jump into this topic.

JClay:

It's funny, about this topic. Like, once I once I knew this was our topic for this Sunday, I started just seeing anxiety everywhere. Like, not not seeing the effects of anxiety, but, like, hearing people speaking about it, hearing people how, like, to overcome it or how, like, you know, the role it plays in people's lives. And I was like, man, I guess this is the right time to to talk about this subject.

Troy Washington:

So I I guess in in starting this thing, yeah, like, how did the topic come about is the question. You know, that's what I always wanna lay on the surface for everybody. Like, how did this even come up?

JClay:

Yeah. I mean, it it's just it's what people are going through, and it's something that needs to talk to be talked about. Like, even for me, like, for a while, I I didn't know what anxiety was. Like, I didn't know that it was a real thing. I would hear people talk about it, but it's like, what what is this thing?

JClay:

And when I heard what it was, I recognized why I had instances with it, but I feel how I I I kinda wanna share, you know, like, why I don't experience it even before I came into the awareness that I'm into now. But we'll we'll get into that. But, yeah, what about you?

Troy Washington:

Yeah. And and the same thing, I felt like at a point when, we had so much stuff going on in our past when we were managing a record label, and we had all these people that we, were in charge of helping facilitate the dreams of their life. And, you know, I had I felt like I had the entire world on my shoulders at a point. I do know what this felt like. I I did have, effects from it.

Troy Washington:

I won't call it negative effects. I had effects to make me open up my eyes to see the reality of things. But definitely, I can see how, anxiety can be a big part of of someone's everyday life, especially if you don't if you're not aware and don't know what it looks like.

JClay:

Yeah. So so what what would you say anxiety is, like, to you, I guess?

Troy Washington:

Yeah. I I think it's it's a couple of things here. Right? I well, but I guess first off is being anxious of an outcome, or anticipating an outcome and not having the patience to allow whatever's supposed to be happening in the meantime to happen. And so what ends up happening is whether you're physically doing something, mentally, you're starting to progress from the state or the place that you're in, which causes the anxiousness, looking outside of the prison.

Troy Washington:

But go ahead, Jay.

JClay:

Yeah. And I and I was looking it up too. It it says, anxiety is an emotion characterized by feelings of tension, worry thoughts, and physical changes like increased blood pressure. But but I guess it too just to clarify, we're speaking more of the the negative effects of of anxiety. Because, I mean, it it could be a good thing depending on how you see it.

JClay:

Like, song, so anxious. Like, anxious is that's in the state of anxiety. But I don't think he meant it like that. Like, he he was so he was anxious. Like, he was excited about it.

JClay:

And anxiety could be excitement disguised as as something else. But I guess it's just two sides to every coin. So on the positive end, it's, excitement. On the negative end, it's what we categorize as anxiety as a as a negative trait.

Troy Washington:

And and see, that's why and, again, this is just me basing this off my own personal experience, which, again, I've told you many times before, but that that state of I'm no longer here, and and I guess that's the way you can place it as worry, but I'm no longer here. I'm more in the future thinking about how things are supposed to go, how they look, or how they should look, and what I can do about them right now when sometimes, and, in most cases, when you're anxious, there's nothing that you can do in the moment. Even from the standpoint that you just used, from genuine, he was anxious because he could not wait for the end of the day to get to this girl. Like, it was just, like, it's 09:00 almost you know what I'm saying? Can't wait to see, like, he and he was calling her.

Troy Washington:

He was pestering her, like, in a sense if you look at it from her standpoint, and it was just, like, I cannot wait. But go ahead, sir.

JClay:

Yeah. Yeah. And and but but it sounds like too, like, a lot of anxiety is rooted in fear. Like, fear of this outcome, instead of excitement. So so, again, like, I like, I remember being a kid on Christmas Eve thinking about Christmas or, thinking about the next morning when I'm going to Six Flags.

JClay:

Like, I was excited about it. I I was so excited that I couldn't really sleep, But some people have, like, those same symptoms about something upcoming that they're fearful about. So, like, in my case, it wasn't really the the the angst it was anxiousness, but not in that sense we don't like. But, but on a but it's it's kinda like I've I've had a big talk before. I didn't know what to expect, and a part of me wanted to feel anxious.

JClay:

I just wouldn't let myself. You know what I mean? Like, and then I'll I'll talk about we'll we'll talk about, like, tools and ways to to get out of that mindset, but I just wanna make sure we we're laying the groundwork of what we're speaking of when we're talking about overcoming anxiety and replacing that fear with faith.

Troy Washington:

Man, this is what's funny about this, and I know that we've had this conversation offline before. But but fear or anxiety, if we wanna place them together, and excitement has almost all the same characteristics. I mean, like, it's easy to see to I'm trying to think of the the best way to put this, but they they look the exact same almost. You know what I'm saying? And the other part to it is they also almost have a similar effect on your body because even excitement, if you think about it, causes your blood pressure to rise because your body is, it's it's it's it's in a sense waiting to explode.

Troy Washington:

And when you get to that thing that you've been anticipating so much, even if it's a good thing, it it it still has the same effect on you in a sense. Right? But go ahead, Jay.

JClay:

Yeah. I I wonder about that with excitement and and elevated blood pressure. Because, I mean, I know that I know that that's what they say about anxiety for sure, but, you know, I don't I don't check my blood pressure like that, you know, but before and after. But I I will say, like, if I'm if I'm excited about something, when the event actually comes, I remain excited. I'm like, man, this is awesome.

JClay:

I can't believe I'm actually here. I'm in this. And if if they have similar traits, then perhaps when people get into that situation, they still feel that negative trait by, like, I'm I'm afraid for this event. And then when the event comes, they're still afraid not even being to not being able to be present like you stated, and they're still in their mind about it, but not even really experiencing it to see if it's what you think it is.

Troy Washington:

And I I think a part of that is being able to let the anxiety out. Because you know building up to a show in our past, we could be anxious. We can be excited. We can be anticipating it. Right?

Troy Washington:

And then the moment when they say go, all that energy that we have, it dissipates because we're literally giving it to everybody else. Like, you you you you're able to release it. But a lot of times, when you have so much anticipation built up and again, I'm gonna I'm gonna go back and tell you this real quick. There was a time when I used to have panic attacks all the time. Right?

Troy Washington:

And at that point, there was a a bit of anxiousness, fear, me not understanding or knowing where things were gonna go. And the thing is, I never had the outlet to allow it to to come out. And so what I the way that I, I guess, understood it for myself was the panic attacks was its way of coming out on its own. It was it was a way to get all that energy out So that way my bad if y'all heard that hit on the mic. But it was a way for me to release it so that way I can get back to a base level.

Troy Washington:

But go ahead, Jay.

JClay:

Yeah. So one thing and I'll I'll just speak up on this now. Like, something I've been fortunate to do where I haven't experienced anxiety is you could say it's rooted in procrastination. So, like, let's say, I have something coming up that I have no idea what to expect. I'm I'm prepared as much as I can prepare.

JClay:

It's a new situation. I don't know what's gonna happen. And I started to think about it in terms of what if this that I don't want or what if this that I don't like. I would just say, you know what? I'm I'm not gonna think about it until right before I'm getting ready to do it.

JClay:

And so it's like I'm procrastinating on feeling anxiety. Like, that's that's future Jelani's problem. So then what what ends up happening is, like, right before that event, like, let's be like, they they introduce me or something, and I'm getting ready to speak, then I allow myself to fill it. But then in that moment, it's like it's almost too late because I just gotta start going. And once I start going, I realize, oh, it's nothing to be afraid of.

JClay:

And this again, this is before I I knew that your thoughts could shape your reality, that your thoughts were actually things that affect physical reality. So I am grateful that I did that because I was able to step into this, which is, like, if you're feeling unease, just think of an easy thought. You know what I mean? Like, it is think think something that that you you would rather think in that moment and let it all kinda take care of itself. Like, you don't have to fixate on the the troubling thought or the fearful thought if you don't want to.

Troy Washington:

So I wanna read what Robert Clay says. It shouts out pops. Appreciate you joining us today. And then also I wanna come back to you, but, Robert Clay says, I am no longer afraid. I am filled with the faith of God, which gives me strength.

Troy Washington:

Yeah. And this is the key to and and again, I guess a combination to what he's saying and what you're saying, the biggest obstacle I think for people, it's the same obstacle for us. It took a while for you to say, you know what? I'm not gonna worry about this now. See, that's the thing.

Troy Washington:

Most people, they they haven't formulated. Even when I was in it, I wasn't ever in a place for me to be able to be like, you know what? I'm gonna put it you and this is something I saw you do in the past. I'm gonna I'm gonna put this on my calendar, and I'm not gonna worry about this until it pops up on my calendar. But the average person, even if they say they're not worried about it, if you've been around people before, they just try to stop, but you can see it's still turning in their head.

Troy Washington:

And then every little time that there's an opportunity for it to be inserted in a situation or a conversation, it comes up. And it also that it's done in a way to dissipate the dissipate the feeling of it, but it's still being worried about it. You get what I'm saying? And so I guess the big question here is, like, how do you say, okay, I'm no longer afraid and believe yourself. How do you say I'm going to I'm filled with the faith of God, which we all do.

Troy Washington:

Right? We all say, you know, I'm a let God take the wheel, but yet we still got our hand on the wheel, you know, in in other words of you and really, allow yourself to release. But go ahead, Jay.

JClay:

Yeah. It's funny because, like, once we declare something, it's almost like we get tested. Now, you know, test is not a bad thing because sometimes, like, you gonna get tested. You better pass the test. Like, nah.

JClay:

It's just a test is just a way to to gauge where you're at. Like, the the results in in reality, it doesn't mean anything. But in our minds, oh my god. I failed this test. But, like, you you get tested to see, okay.

JClay:

Do you do you really have that faith, you know, in yourself despite all that's going on? And usually, when you when you realize that you do, it's a double benefit because, one, you just do, but also you know it for yourself. Like, it's it's not an unknown anymore. And once you once you know how powerful you are, it makes things easier. So, so I guess get get getting into this, because this is pretty much like practical exercises to train your mind for peace, it's it's almost like you start to go down that rabbit hole, and you face yourself like, okay.

JClay:

What am I afraid of? And as to give an example, like, public speaking. Right? I used to I used to be afraid of public speaking. I used to hate public speaking.

JClay:

And if I'm being honest, it's probably a part of me that's it's a little bit somewhere that's like,

Troy Washington:

I don't wanna public speak. But, it

JClay:

it's one of those things like, okay. What am I afraid of? And then I'll go into it. So I'm afraid that I'm a look stupid. Well, do you know the subject?

JClay:

Yeah. I know the subject well. Then you you can't look stupid or that's on them if they choose to view you that way. Okay. I'm good.

JClay:

I'm afraid that I might forget what I'm gonna say. Well, what would happen if you get what you're gonna say? I don't know. I would just be stuck or then just be stuck. You know what I mean?

JClay:

It's like, okay. Well, yeah. I'm human. Things happen. It it it is what it is.

JClay:

We we all get stuck, but it's not stuck. We just all have those, like, brain freezes because we're thinking so many thoughts at once. And it is other situations. You just keep going down a rabbit hole and a rabbit hole, and you realize, well, there's nothing really truly to be afraid of. So it it's if I am afraid, just prepare myself for that which I'm afraid for.

JClay:

And it it it just makes it a lot easier, if that makes sense.

Troy Washington:

Yeah. No. And and just kinda piggyback off of that. So I I guess I have two things. And, in response to what you're saying, what it sounds like is, like, we you cannot be tied to the app.

Troy Washington:

Like, the the outcome cannot be the end of the world no matter what the no matter what the outcome is. Yeah. So you're right. As a real estate broker, right, how I get my business, I go into someone's house and I sit down and I walk them through the process. And by the end of the process, I have to wait for them to tell me if they're going to hire me or not.

Troy Washington:

And so there are a million things that could come through my head. What if I say the wrong thing? You know, what if, you know, I don't tell them the right amount of money? Or what if I you know, all of these different things. But the thing that I have to do is no matter what they say, I'm cool.

Troy Washington:

No matter what they say, I did a good job. No matter how I feel, I am doing a good job. And again, these are things that you have to continuously, put into yourself in order for you to overcome that. But the other piece to this is though, bro, like, but but no. No.

Troy Washington:

No. I'm I'm a I'm a hold that, but you you can go ahead.

JClay:

Yeah. And and and one thing too that that helps is knowing your worth. And when I say knowing it by your standards. You know what I mean? Like, but but I I guess that can be tough too if you have the the repetition of doubting yourself in your own mind.

JClay:

That can be a tough thing. But I will say, I'm sure everyone has happy moments in their life. Everyone has some feeling of some triumph even if it's a tiny one, and you can build upon that. You can you can redirect your mind to, like, oh, I remember how good I felt when I won this. I remember how good I felt when I achieved this this feat that, either I didn't think I could do or no one else thought I could do.

JClay:

I I remember how it felt to just be in this good state, and you just start thinking about that. And and, like like, we talked about plenty of times on the show, every thought attracts similar thoughts. So So it's like you're gonna get the ball rolling on just realizing how great you are. And then once you feel with it, you can then seamlessly switch it to this event or this thing that you have anxiety over. And it it it kinda dissipates it in a way.

Troy Washington:

I I think that the part of it too is you have to trust the truth that you see. And what I mean by that is, give yourself an opportunity with the thing that you're anxious about for a result to happen no matter what. And and and just to kinda give you an example of what I mean, like, I I live by this, bro. Like, my wife is always like, well, what about this? And I always my my whole thing is, I don't wanna worry about that until I have to worry about that.

Troy Washington:

Like, I don't even wanna talk about that now because that's not something that's in front of me. But let me just go ahead and rewind rewind for a second. In the past, you know, I'm in I'm a real estate industry, so the real estate industry could be very fickle. Right? So, I mean, I can have a lot of business this, you know, next couple of months, then I can be dry for months.

Troy Washington:

Right? And in those months where nothing's happening, there's always the thought of, well, what if the next one don't come? Right? What if what what if I can't get this next thing? And then all of a sudden now here's the domino effect.

Troy Washington:

Right? If what I want does not happen, then the end of the world is the calamity. The end of the world for me. Right? But what I have trained myself to do is, just just just take take myself out of the situation and just let it be by itself.

Troy Washington:

And now when I say trust the truth of what you see is, once you're able to get past whatever it is, see what happened. There have been plenty of times where I didn't have money, and I said, I'm not worried about money, and then money came. And so when that truth happened, it allowed me to be free in the future. So whenever another cycle comes around, I can remember it. You know, last time, I I was in the exact same situation.

Troy Washington:

I didn't worry about it. It's not like I'm just laying over, killed in the bed. I'm I'm actually being active. So whatever's supposed to happen will happen. And you it's just that I take the anxiety away because I remember the truth.

Troy Washington:

I remember what happened before. And we have these type of instances in our life over and over again, whether it be money, whether it be, relationship situations, where we've seen us come through the fire. And then we still don't wanna believe that if we go through it again, that we're gonna have a similar or a more, a favorable result. But go ahead, Jay.

JClay:

Yeah. So so to that, I I wanna give an example, but the the most important thing to understand, on a scientific level, spiritual, scientific, it's just one of those laws that are just laws. Like, when we talk about the law of attraction, how, you know, like attracts like if you if you start to worry, you attract like thoughts of worry. If you start to feel faith, you attract like, like thoughts in that, and you experience reality in that way. So the the most important thing I want people to remember that as long as you don't worry, everything will at least stay the same.

JClay:

Like, because you you're you're always at that energetic space where you've always been. And I've I've seen this in action. Like, I I actually started to understand it before I put it into action because there were times that I allowed myself to worry a little bit before I caught myself. But, like, even in money situations like you brought up, it it seems dry. It seems dry right now, but then when you worry, it is gonna get dry.

JClay:

When you don't, you're like, nah. Something's gonna happen. What's gonna happen? I don't know what's gonna happen, but something's gonna happen. I I did all I can do.

JClay:

I I'm I'm I'm sticking to my principles. I'm sticking to my guides, you know, how how I live my life. And all of a sudden, mirror enter insert miracle here. And it's like, man, I can't believe this. I had nothing to do with this, but you did because you had faith that if you stick to however you live your life, all will continue to be well, and it will be well.

JClay:

So I so it's like you almost have double chances to improve your situation or or double chances to not weaken in in your state. So it's like you can you can have faith, you can do nothing, and things will at least stay the same or get greater, or you can worry and then things will gradually decline in your eyes.

Troy Washington:

But yeah. Go ahead. But see and and see but and this is what's funny about this. Right? We we are professionals at having faith.

Troy Washington:

Everybody. Like, we we we practice faith all day every day except for whenever there look. Every day I get up at the bed, bro, I literally can I can literally get out of my bed and fall down? I can literally just get out and just fall. But the thing is it's never a worry for me.

Troy Washington:

I never even think about it. I it's it's not something that's even on my radar because I have the faith that when I roll over and get out of bed, that I'm gonna be able to get up and walk and go brush my teeth and do everything. I even know tomorrow I'm a get out and play basketball with my kid. Like, I have no fear of not being able to walk because I have extreme faith. But if I say, you know, I'm gonna go skydive, I will have faith in hitting the ground.

Troy Washington:

You know what I'm saying? And so the the the crazy thing about it is we have supreme faith, but we only we only allow it to be prominent in our life for things that we feel like, I guess things that we feel like we could control in a sense. Right? And, you know, you know, key to your to to to letting go is just having the faith and understanding that I don't have to control it in an just like everything else in my life for it to be right. But go ahead, Jay.

JClay:

Yeah. And and and to your point, fear is faith. Like, fear is just faith in what you don't want. And faith, as we say it, is faith in what you do want. So it's Yeah.

JClay:

It's like it's important to to check that. And and and similar to that, like, I find like, if if I'm around someone that's worrying about something that almost causes me to worry, I have to remove myself immediately. And I don't do it in a malicious way. I'll I might just make a subtle excuse, like, man, I gotta go do something real quick or whatever. But it's important because, again, you you attract that into your reality when you start to see things in that worry state because you you go you you attract traction.

JClay:

You you you build momentum. That's that's the word I'm looking for. You build momentum on the thing that you're worrying going. But if you can get your mind right first, it doesn't matter who you're around. Like, it it won't it won't matter.

JClay:

But but I also appreciate those who worry around me about something that causes me to almost worry because it's like, oh, I have this belief. I have I have a a a block that's stopping me from experiencing this the way that I want to, so I need to go and do the work. You know? I need to go in my inner mind and ask myself, why am I afraid of this? Or why is this bringing up fear thoughts?

JClay:

And then once I do that and get right with myself, it's easy to be around people and then have your faith transform them or put their mind at ease when, again, nothing really changes at first that that you can see, but it is important to maintain that energetic balance.

Troy Washington:

Bro, I've been in a situation on the flip side of it where I went into something having fear. Right? Or not having the faith that I should have. Right? And simply some like, an unbelievable task.

Troy Washington:

Right? And then the person that I was doing the task with when it was in a group had so much faith that it killed the fear. Like, I was like, oh, ain't no way we could do this. And then somebody was so energetic about their belief. I was like, what the heck?

Troy Washington:

We probably all gonna be able to do this. You know what I'm saying? And it it it goes to show how it can actually transfer. But again, there's something that happens in that situation when when you change. And I think that's the part that we need to get to.

Troy Washington:

Like, it's easy it's it's easier said, and it's easier done. I'm a say it like that. But the thing is, what is that trigger? How can I when I practiced so much, the fear, even though I live in faith and everything else, how what is the trigger to let me know that in this instance, I just need to let it go? Because I don't wanna let it go.

Troy Washington:

Because it's too hard to let it go. Because if I let it go, it's gonna be worse than what I thought in my head. You get what I'm saying? And that's where people lie. But go ahead, Jay.

JClay:

Right. And and that and that's just a story that people tells themselves. They're like, I got I gotta at least worry because if I don't worry, then what what's gonna happen? But it's like, you worrying is is the thing that's keeping that worry alive. Because if it was if it was real real, it wouldn't need your worry for it to persist.

JClay:

And, well, I I one good thing is okay. Well, let me say this. So a lot of people's worries are stemmed on their belief that what happened in the past is going to happen in the future. But, again, as we as we're learning, the more we hold that vision of the past in that way, the more we perpetuate it so that it will happen in the future. But but the thing about that man, I I lost my train of thought there real quick.

JClay:

See, one of those fears that I used to fear, but I'm I'm cool with that. But, thank you. I did lose my go ahead. Go ahead for a second.

Troy Washington:

Yeah. So so just like anything else, you know, and I and I'm answering my question. You know what I'm saying?

JClay:

Yeah.

Troy Washington:

The practice. You get what I'm saying? Like, I always like to bring my kids into it. Like, my son, Troy the second plays basketball. And whether he would ever admit to me that there is fear when he goes out on the court, because I've seen him grow up his entire life, I can I can I can see it?

Troy Washington:

You know, I can witness it. And so the thing is that this conversation, I don't I I'm not able to have it the way that we're having it now. So what I try to do is I try to reinforce the faith in the the actions that he's taken beforehand to allow him because, again, this is where I'm using history as a buffer versus something that's a hindrance. And so I I I would say, look. We we sat outside yesterday and shot 500 shots.

Troy Washington:

You made 500 shots. I don't even even talk about your misses. You made 500. When you went to go in the game, you have an opportunity to make 500 shots too. You just gotta shoot enough shots.

Troy Washington:

And so it's kind of the the the buffer effect by the work that you've done. And, again, that's the reason why I I bring up the point that we practice faith all the time. Like, faith is we don't we we're not even able to operate. If you had no faith, you would just be in the bed all day, and you wouldn't even open your eyes. And so the simple fact that you actually, have the skill set and you put it to work on a daily basis is about transferring that energy and telling yourself the truth, and that's what I try to do to him.

Troy Washington:

And I I it's no point of me talking about missus. Missus are gonna come. There's no point of me talking about falling when I get out of bed because maybe one day I might. But the reality of it is I practiced every day getting up. So until I fall, it's not even a thought in my head, but go ahead, Jay.

JClay:

Yeah. I love that. And I remember what I was gonna say when you said using history as a buffer. Yeah. Like, if you already do believe in the effects of history, then use it to your advantage.

JClay:

Like, something I like to do when I hear people talk about a miracle that happened in their life, I try to just trace it and just see how cool it is. So it's like someone might pray for something, and then two weeks later, they experienced the miracle, that came at the hands of someone else. Because, you know, miracles are are it's more than one person involved always no matter what it is. And so it's like, man. Okay.

JClay:

This person prayed for this two weeks ago. At the same time, somebody was recording a piece of content, that they that they were on the fence about maybe uploading. Then they finally uploaded. This person saw it. They got what they needed.

JClay:

Miracle. Or, someone sold something over here and did something. Like, it it's so much that needs to go on, but when you trace the miracles or even the miracles in your own life, you see how they all work together and what all had to transpire in order for it to come to fruition. And it's a beautiful thing. And, like, you when you remember that, you're like, man, I I am more important to this world.

JClay:

I am more important than I think I am to myself. I do have more power than I think I have, and you can see how yeah. What am I worried for? I prayed. I I believe in God, or I believe in the higher power.

JClay:

I I believe in this energy that brought me to be. Why would I doubt it now when it's always come through for me no matter what? And holding that faith in what you want, practicing in your mind the experience of what you want brings it to you that much faster.

Troy Washington:

So shout out to my wife, and shout out to prime royal events. If you ever need a party, you holler at her. And the reason why I'm bringing her up is because, she's somebody that helps me see this more often than not. And the reason why I stated and and again, I I understand where she's coming from. So there's a lot of grace there even though sometimes I would just kinda be like, look, you gotta just let this go.

Troy Washington:

But she she plans parties for a living. Every time she plans a party, she sets up everything out beautifully. She does all of this plotting and playing, and she she does everything that she possibly can do for you to hire her to have the most, you know, beautiful experience that you can have. On the day of the party or maybe the day before the party, something comes over her. What if it's not right?

Troy Washington:

What if it's this? Yeah. Let's say for instance something didn't come in the mail and she missed one little thing that was supposed to go to the party. Right? Now mind you, this entire, thing that she's creating is only in her mind.

Troy Washington:

We don't even know what it's looking like. We don't even know what it's supposed to be. So if there's something missing, there's no way we can anticipate it. Now my wife can go into this, and she can be worried through the beginning of the process all the way to the end, even to the point where she would be like, I wonder if people liked it. Was it good?

Troy Washington:

Like, she cannot enjoy the the masterpiece that she's been able to create because of the anxiety, and the fear of not being successful. And then two days later, every time a million people call, hey. This is the most amazing thing I ever seen. This is, you know, it's it's always uplifting. Right?

Troy Washington:

And so when when we come into the next party, she'll start the same process over again with the anxiousness, with the fear. And I'm telling her, like, look. It doesn't matter what comes. It's going to be good. We we don't even get to have this conversation if it's not going if it hasn't been good before.

Troy Washington:

But even sometimes the history, somebody can't like you said, use the history as as, you know, something to help you to realize what's true, but people still have that mental block. Even so much so shout out to my wife again. Yesterday, we celebrated my son's birthday. And every all the people that was supposed to come to the party wasn't gonna be able to come. You know, all these little things that come up.

Troy Washington:

And she was you know, she had the weight of the anticipation of how he's gonna respond to it or how she was responding to herself. And she was like that all the way to the end and she was just like, dang, it was good. And I was like, it's always good. And I think that's the part that we gotta we have to kinda hold. Number one, shout out to everybody that's listening today.

Troy Washington:

We're here because we're here. We're here because you have faith. You you know, you gotta remember that it's always good.

JClay:

Go ahead, Jay. It's funny how we convince ourselves that it's okay to feel for another. Like, feel bad for someone else or feel scared for someone else. And it's crazy because, again, you don't know what they're feeling, but you you can only feel for yourself. Like, you you only you can feel and and that needs to be said repeatedly.

JClay:

Only you can feel for yourself. I hear people say all the time, I feel for that person. No. You're you're just bringing your own fears or your own ideas of this situation about, and you're trying to project it onto them. But, no, you could you only feel as yourself.

JClay:

And it's like, if you're gonna feel for someone or feel some why not feel happy for someone? Like, man, I'm glad they got that opportunity to learn something. Like, the the the thing I noticed about myself is I only accept maybe criticism or compliments if I agree with it. And I I that that's not to say I won't consider all of them just to see are is there truth to it? But it's funny just how it works.

JClay:

Like, if I'm on the fence about something or a song that I think may maybe that's bad and somebody says something about it, I'm like, yep. See, yeah. They right. But it's what I already believe. Or somebody's like, man, this is the greatest song ever you did.

JClay:

And I'm like, yeah. It is. Like, I'm I I accept it, but it's there's been times people have thrown compliments at me, bounced off. Times people throwing criticism at me, bounced off. And and so, again, it it's it's about getting in touch with what we believe and then changing our beliefs or changing our thoughts to support what we want to believe, what we want to believe about ourselves, what we want to believe about our situation.

JClay:

And the more you practice what you want to believe, the more you start to believe in that and the more your experience changes so that it it is one with what you believe.

Troy Washington:

And I I think that, even in your example, a part of taking the ownership of what you believe is also allowing people to believe what they believe. And so because I've been in the same boat, bro. Like, when somebody says something to me so so so first person, let me go back. I would only accept the stuff that I felt like I agree with, and then everything else was just kinda like flipped. But I even stopped thinking about it like that as well because the the way that I was able to, I guess, process it for me to free myself was, well, that is a fact for them.

Troy Washington:

This music is not good for them. They're not supposed to like everything that I like, but that doesn't mean that I cannot like it. And so when somebody came to me and told me, hey. You know, that ain't really your best stuff. I'm like, okay.

Troy Washington:

Cool. For you. You know what I mean? And so it it is there's that so when I come back and I tell myself that it's an amazing song, I can make the separation because I realized that the re the reality of it is it is Koopa Hamnot to Like My Music because there's music that they probably listen to that I'm not attuned to or I might not like. And I'm not gonna say that it's it's I can say that it's bad to me, but they don't have to accept it because either way, we're both right.

Troy Washington:

And so I think that when you when you're able to allow people's, truths to be their truth, then you you are able to break free of that. But go ahead, Jay.

JClay:

Yeah. And I I love that you said that because that that's proof and validation that our judgments don't really need anything. They don't validate anything. Like so we don't have to judge. We don't have to judge everything someone says.

JClay:

Like you said, people can believe what they believe, and it's alright even if it's opposite what you believe. It doesn't have to have a bearing on you, and you don't have to judge it as good or bad. It just is. And and to to the to the point too of, like what okay. I'll say this.

JClay:

One of the things I noticed, you know, as a musician, rap artist, whatever, People can love me for one song and not care about nothing else, but they'll still say I'm, like, one of the best artists ever. And it's just fun. Like, man, but you only like you only you only can't find these other songs. Like, yeah. I care about these two songs, and you're the best artist ever.

JClay:

But I but I understand because I feel that way about others too. And, again, it's not to say that I am or I'm not the best artist ever. It's just to say that we can all have our opinions or beliefs, and it's okay. Like, it it's enough room for everyone to believe what they wanna believe. And it's almost like, why not just set it up to believe the best about yourself, to believe the best about your situation, the best about your fellow man, that everything is leading you to a breakthrough.

JClay:

Like, even if if like they say, it is it goes to the darkest night before it's day. You know what I mean? Like, it it does go to the darkest night, and then it starts to gradually get brighter and brighter and brighter. And it's like, you know that if if things appear to be very badly, it's just gonna get better and better and better from here and you stepping into that that light.

Troy Washington:

No. You know, this is what's funny about it, bro. Like, even in your in your your example, when you said that somebody can listen to one song and they can think that you're the best rapper ever or, you know, even using myself as an example, you know, I I substitute whenever I have free time. Right? And somebody, you know, I I go to class when well, the first time I subbed, I sent an email to the teacher, and she was like, dang it.

Troy Washington:

Twenty years, nobody ever sent an email. And then all of a sudden, like, you the best sub ever. Right? But this is what's funny about it. In both instances, right, we'll come back and we play a we we place stimulation in our head and say, well, the best rapper ever looks like this to anybody, or the best substitute ever looks like this to anybody.

Troy Washington:

And a part of this anxiety and and fear is based off of self created, worlds that are not real. And it's it's just it's it's just a crazy thing because in your instance, for for somebody to consider me the best rapper ever, they have to have listened to my entire catalog. And I'm not saying this is you, but I'm just saying they have to have listened to my entire catalog. They have to, you know, be following me here, but it it don't work like that. And, you know, I like it to think about when we were, when we used to go out and sell CDs in the street and people would tell us all the time, no.

Troy Washington:

We ain't never seen nobody hustle hard like y'all, like y'all going hard. But in our mind, it's like, oh, this week just came out of town one time and just did this. And it it it just it just goes to show that, a big part of this anxiety is removed again, like I said a while ago, allowing people's thoughts to be their thoughts. Because even if somebody does think that I'm the best little bit or are you the best rapper ever, I can be in agreeance with her or I don't. The reality is I should think that anyway, but it shouldn't be on the shoulders of what somebody else thinks.

Troy Washington:

But go ahead, Jay.

JClay:

Yeah. And and and to that too, like, have you ever and you and anybody watching, like, have you ever tried to figure out why you're drawn to a person or, like, what you like about that person? Or not not not even not even in a romantic relationship, but that too. But, like, just any time you're drawn to someone like, man, this person is awesome. But when I try to do, I can't quantify what it is.

JClay:

You know what I mean? And it's it's, like, is it is it their mannerisms? Is it the way they look? Is it is it how they say their words? Is it what what is it?

JClay:

And it it amazes me because it's like things just are as they are. You know what I mean? Like, we like what we like. We are who we are, and there are gonna be people who no matter how great we are or how how much we fit into the image we created for ourself of what the the ultimate person is, people are still gonna feel their way about it, and it's okay. It it it it it it doesn't again, it doesn't have to affect you.

JClay:

And so it's like how you are is perfect as is. And even if you wanna change, that you is still perfect as well even though you're still you at your core. But yeah. Go ahead.

Troy Washington:

So so to that point, the question is, what is it that you want to be? And the initial thought of what you thought it was supposed to look like, does it have to look that way? And if it does have to look that way, how do I make it look that way? Or what how can I free myself in such a way that it can it can be facilitated? And so, again, part of the anxiety is a world that's created already that you've already you've already made to be true, and you're not living in that world that you've made to be true.

Troy Washington:

But that's only because you haven't taken the time to say what this really looks like for me. You're you're it's it's kinda like you're you're you're grasping in a bunch of different places, and you're combining a world based off, a ton of different thoughts, a ton of different experiences, a ton of different other people's perspectives and perceptions without ever giving yourself the opportunity to see what that really looks like for you. But go ahead, Jay.

JClay:

Yeah. And, man, that that's so key and so important, because I I've done this plenty of times and and I've caught myself in it. But, like, let's say I wanna do something new. Like, oh, I wanna do this. The first thing I'll do is look up how other people did it.

JClay:

And it's it's but how they did it worked for them. You know? And and even if I tried to do their way, which I've tried plenty of times to do someone else's way, it doesn't lead to the happiness that I think it will. But me figuring out my own way that, like like you said, how it looks for myself, how it looks for you, like, it it brings so much joy and happiness that it it it it almost doesn't matter the outcome. It's like, man, I'm I'm experiencing this.

JClay:

I'm getting to try this the way I wanna try it. I'm getting to do this, and things are coming together for it. Like, I'm I'm I'm being helped. I'm being supported in ways I didn't even know it was possible to be supported in something like this. By even people who don't even know me or even know that what they just gave me was support.

JClay:

It but it just that that's the beauty of the universe. Like, things just kinda are all aligned when you step into that joy of what you want, when you when you keep your mind attuned to the happiness, to that that happy thought, to that that, that faith filled thought in whatever it is, like, nothing else matters.

Troy Washington:

So I'm gonna shout out perfect mode real quick. So it just so that way y'all can understand, like, at least how I feel about this and it to the point that we're making. What does this world look like? I remember when we first were gonna start perfect mode. I remember that.

Troy Washington:

And I remember trying to prep our minds for what a podcast was supposed to be like and trying to prep our minds for what a podcast was supposed to share and prep our minds for how many you know, it was so many different things. And then one day we were just like, let's just do that much. Right? The most freeing thing for me, bro and, again, I'm not saying it's the same for you. I'm just talking on my behalf.

Troy Washington:

The most freeing thing for me was, this is for you, Troy. Every time you have a show, can you get something for it to make you better? Can you get something for it to make you grow? And so what ended up happening was there was a lot of, things that I could anticipate that probably wouldn't have come into fruition at that point. And it doesn't mean that these things are not gonna come into fruition, but there's a lot of different things that I could have put as hurdles or roadblocks that have prevented me or, in a sense made me fearful of even starting.

Troy Washington:

Now mind you, we're going we're close to season five. I mean, we're going on five years. And, and and

JClay:

I'm We're on season five. We're good.

Troy Washington:

So we in season five. So we but we in five years. Right? So we we we five years, bro. If you ask me then, in five years what it would look like, it's gonna tell them what I would've said.

Troy Washington:

Right? I probably would've said anything. I probably would've said I was on TV. Who knows? I don't know.

Troy Washington:

You know what I'm saying? But the the reality of it was me lifting all of that is what allows me to be here today. It's the it's the reason why I feel free. It's the reason why I've been able to grow, and I think that that's the reason why it's been able to grow with us. But I think that you have to allow yourself to paint a picture that makes sense for you in order for you to progress.

Troy Washington:

But go ahead, Jay.

JClay:

Yeah. And and even to your point, like, we could have an image of perfect mode and what we want it to be, and we could work toward it if we so choose. And, again, there's nothing wrong with that. That's part of it too. But one of the things that me and you did was, like, we have these other things that we're a little more focused on, but let's let's not stop ourselves from doing this.

JClay:

And I'm so great like you said, I'm so grateful for that because of all the benefits it had. So before the show, let me take let me say this story about how anxiety can creep in. So before this show, I think I'd hear from you from, like, ten minutes before. And I was like, well, man, maybe Troy is up to something, but got busy, and I might have to do this by myself. And I didn't feel any type of way about it.

JClay:

I was like, wow. But I think a couple weeks ago, you you were, like, ten minutes late. And I I I was like, man, I gotta hold it down for ten minutes. And I it was a a twinge of maybe, like, fear. And I was like, you know what?

JClay:

I could do it for ten minutes. I've done longer before. Like, I talked myself up, and it and it helped. I was like, oh, yeah. I could do this.

JClay:

No problem. Did it. No problem. Before that, I remember a time when, like, you weren't gonna be on here before, and I was, like, very nervous about it. But I I did what I said where I I was like, I'm not gonna think about it until right when I get on.

JClay:

By the time I get on, it's like the lights are on. I just gotta do it. You know, whatever happens happens. And then even to go before that, before we even did perfect mode together where both of us are having a conversation, which me and you have had conversations millions of times, I remember I was I was nervous about that. But just to see the progress of it all, and it's like, man, I'm I'm I'm glad I took the step.

JClay:

Even though I I I may have had some anxiety about it or some nervousness about it, some fear about it, that it didn't matter because it's not real. And and when you know that about fear, it's like if it was real, it would always be here. It's not always here. And just just and let that be your guy. Like, fear is not always gonna be here.

JClay:

Just put yourself in a situation where you can overcome it, and the the better your chances are overcoming it.

Troy Washington:

And and I'm a tell you what I think about what you just said. And and and and this is not to say that fear is real, but I would say that it can be real. And the reason why I say that is because in the instances that you're talking about, you held both thoughts in your head. You held a thought of, man, this could be messed up, and you had a thought of, oh, I could do this. And in that given moment, you chose.

Troy Washington:

You said, okay. I got both. I have I have both cards. I I think I'm gonna take the queen right now because that's the one that I have to have. And and that's the opportunity that we have in every instance of life.

Troy Washington:

Like, you you generally have a deck of cards. And and the reality of it is it might not even be cards that you you like, but you still get to choose which ones you want to play. And I just think it's, it's just a a beautiful thought that, even in the, even in the the midst of the fear that that car probably was a joke. Can't nothing beat this car. You know what I'm saying?

Troy Washington:

You still were able to just say, you know what? Let me do this. And I think that's where we gotta you have to give yourself grace. You have to give yourself time, and you cannot be rushed to feel. Right?

Troy Washington:

Because we feel like we gotta we gotta feel a certain way right now. There's been plenty of times when I was talking to my wife and we talked about something, and then she'd look at me be like, so what? And I'd be like, I don't know you. Right? Because I'm allowing myself to process to to have a true response, and that's how we can do in any instance of life or anything that we're dealing with.

Troy Washington:

Give yourself the grace to say, you know what? I know on the surface of this, it don't it feels it feels scary. It feels like it feels like when I turn it when I turn the mic on, it's just gonna turn off. And then you can say, you know what? I'm gonna say the most profound thing ever if I jump on this show right now.

Troy Washington:

I'm gonna say the you're like and and and now you get to choose.

JClay:

But go ahead, Jay. And I and I love that. I I love that you said that about about the choosing because it's so true. And at every given moment, there's so many choices you could choose from. Like you said, you could choose to say something profound.

JClay:

You could choose to say something regular, or you don't even gotta think about that choice. You could be choosing whether to to stay on longer or leave early. Like, it is it is so many things that can go through your mind, and that's the point. Like, you get to choose. You are the chooser.

JClay:

You are the chosen one because you whatever you experience is chosen. And when you, again, when you see how much power you actually have of your own experience, it's a beautiful thing. And but but don't look at your past like, man, if I have control, I wish I would've knew this sooner because I wouldn't did that. Like, no. It it all had to come for you to have the understanding that you have now.

JClay:

Like, you shouldn't trade your past for anything. Just accept it as it is. Like, don't don't don't be embarrassed by it. Don't feel any type of way about it. Like, it it led to you being you to have this understanding.

JClay:

And now you can use that understanding to make your life the best life you ever had ever from here on out. And, again, that's the power of choice that we have.

Troy Washington:

And and the beautiful part about it is, bro, your your your path is what makes you special. Like, it's it's the thing that it's literally the thing that you get to give back to the world. Like and and again, I'm not telling you know, part of this is saying don't allow other people's thoughts or other people's, path distract or deter you from what you're doing. But also that path is a light to show you what other paths look like. It doesn't mean it has to be yours.

Troy Washington:

Like, if we're all walking down the Yellow Brook Road at the same time, we can't possibly all be looking at the same thing unless somebody says look. And even when we all look at that same thing, we all visualizing it different. We all we have, we all feeling it different. And so I I just think that you just giving yourself the opportunity because when I think about overcoming anxiety, it's just stop. You're anxious because you're anticipating something that's not here now.

Troy Washington:

Look at it. And regardless of what it looks like, what do you want it to be? What do you want it to feel like? Where do you want it to go? And then you can, once you determine that, the pathway that you're on immediately changes.

Troy Washington:

You literally can take the fork in the road and go a different direction, but it's gonna be what you really want because you've given yourself, and and that's what changes the anxiety from fear. Go ahead, Jay.

JClay:

Yeah. And and and one of the important things, about what you said is, like, you'll look at something, but we all visualize it different. You know, you'll look at something or experience something, we all feel it different. And those are clues that every experience is an internal experience. It's not a it's not an external experience as we've been led to believe.

JClay:

So it's like you visualize it. You're the visualizer of what this is. You're the filler of what this means. But, again, you always have that choice of what this situation could mean. This could this could mean a turning point in your life where, like, you know what?

JClay:

I don't wanna be like this no more, or I don't wanna experience this anymore. I wanna I wanna choose a better path, or it can be, I love this experience. I want more of this. Bring on more of it. And, yeah, man, we we we have that power of of faith.

JClay:

We have that power to create. We are creators by nature, and it there's nothing that can stop that. And and again, too, if if you feel that the fear is just too strong in the moment, just don't think about that event until you feel stronger about yourself, until you've you've empowered yourself in some way or you're in a good mood. Like, you do something, you hang around people, like, oh, I feel good. Let me think about this thing right now.

JClay:

And now you can see it from a higher perspective, and you're like, oh, I'm tripping over nothing. I'm good to go.

Troy Washington:

And I and, again, I'm a go back to remembering the truth. Now my question for you is, at any given moment and I know these situations could be anything because we're talking about anxiety. It can be involving people. It can be involving money. It can be about going somewhere.

Troy Washington:

There's a lot of different things that this could be applied to. But the question that you gotta ask yourself is, in a moment, I thought that something was possible. In any given moment, I thought that I could do this. In any given moment, I thought that I can go there. In any given moment, I thought that we could be friends.

Troy Washington:

In any given moment, I thought that I could have this money. At any given moment, what makes the moments they came after more prominent than the one that came first? What makes these more powerful than the one that was on top? And I think that when you give yourself the opportunity to see that I mean, it's just a thought just like the other ones. And if I thought that I could do it, I thought that I can experience, or I thought that I could be friends with them, or I thought that I could have this money, this should have some type of this should have as much power as anything else.

Troy Washington:

But go ahead, Jay.

JClay:

Yeah. I've been fortunate enough to be put in so many situations that I judged against that, even even rightfully so. If if it was like, man, I knew this was gonna suck. I was grateful for it because, again, it was an opportunity to know more about myself, like, know how I would experience this situation and that situation. So much so that even now, like I said, I will put myself in situations in the future.

JClay:

Like, I'm like, oh, you wanna do this? Fine. Schedule it. I I I I don't know. It seems like a lot of work, but let's just schedule it and let future Jelani handle that.

JClay:

And when when the when the future comes, like, when when that's now the now moment, it's almost like either I'm prepared for it or I'm challenged to prepare myself for it, or I accept that, oh, I get to experience this unprepared and to see what happened. No. Like so no matter what the outcome is, I learned something about myself. I'm closer to myself. I know more about my capabilities, and what I enjoy doing.

JClay:

And that's that's key to learn yourself so you know who you are.

Troy Washington:

I think the other piece to what you said is no matter what the outcome is, you have to allow yourself to learn something from it. You have to allow yourself to see something good from it. Because, again, what's gonna happen is gonna happen, but it it literally serves a purpose. And so that's another reason why the anxiety you have to let it dissipate because sometimes, you know, again, I like to use my my kids as an example. You're gonna shoot the shot and you're gonna miss sometimes.

Troy Washington:

You go you're going to. But whenever you shoot, the thing that I will ask you is what side of the rim did you hit the rim? What side of the rim did the ball hit? You know, was it the front, the side, or the or the middle? So now you can make an adjustment.

Troy Washington:

When you shoot it next time, make sure you don't lean to the left. Make sure you don't lean to the right. Make sure you don't push too hard. But but you don't get to see that until and I'm a I'm a use Steph Curry as the ultimate example. Right?

Troy Washington:

Just a couple days ago, he shot 12 threes in the game, which is unheard of. Luke shoots 12 threes in the game. But the thing is he didn't start out so toasty. Right? But the reality was the missus made way for the 12 threes that he made.

Troy Washington:

He made 12 threes out of he scored 56 points. He had the most phenomenal game. And what happened was he calibrated himself along the way. He made sure that, oh, I know what it's supposed to look like because I did this. He made the adjustment.

Troy Washington:

And sometimes, because the outcome is not what we want, we don't allow ourselves to see the truth and then to make whatever adjustment. So just allow yourself to go through it. Get rid of the get rid of the anxiety. Get rid of the fear because you have something to gain no matter what. Go ahead, Jay.

JClay:

Yeah. I I wanna read what, shout out to my dad. He said nothing exists except thinking makes it so. And what was funny about this statement, like, whenever I see the word nothing, I think about no thing.

Troy Washington:

No thing. Yeah. And

JClay:

because I I I believe that at our core, we are no thing. Like, we can't be defined. We can't be this. So no thing exists, and thinking makes it so. So it's like we can be we can experience ourself as all things.

JClay:

We can experience ourselves as some things or even a thing. And that's the beauty that's the beauty of it because we are no thing. We get to to be at all, and all we need to do is think about it to make it so. So yeah. That's cool.

JClay:

And, and shout out to Jamila. She said, I read a meme that said both faith and fear demand you to believe in something you can't see. You choose.

Troy Washington:

Yep. Real talk. And and why not choose why not choose love, happiness, joy? Why not choose success? Why not choose, growth?

Troy Washington:

You know what I'm saying? Because, again, I know that a part of this is the the the thing the outcome that we anticipate being a negative thing. But why not choose growth in that? You know? Every time I get on the treadmill, I don't get to run for twenty five minutes.

Troy Washington:

I say I ran for ten. Okay. You know what? Now I know that I can run for ten minutes, and so I just gonna push it to eleven next time. You know what I'm saying?

Troy Washington:

I know what I'm capable of, but go ahead, Jay.

JClay:

Yeah. Yeah. And and and it's at any moment, you can redefine a story where it suits you. Like, you know what? I did fifteen minutes yesterday.

JClay:

I'm gonna do Friday. You know what I mean? But you might not want that for yourself. You might want to always progress. But however you you make the story for yourself, you will experience the effects of that story.

JClay:

So like Jamila said, you choose. You get to choose the story. This is a choose your own adventure, and you don't have to let your thoughts rule you. You rule your thoughts.

Troy Washington:

Real talk. Real talk. So I know we at the end, man, and I I just wanted to tell everybody, you know, if you like the show, you feel like you can be helpful to somebody, please share, like, and subscribe. We love to make the show grow, because, again, our main purpose is helping you realize your perfection. And, you know, I said at the beginning of the show, the only reason that you think that you're not perfect is if you're looking at somebody else and saying I'm not them.

Troy Washington:

But it's the same thing when it comes to the anxiety. Some of that is based off what you've seen from other people. But know that your path is your path. It's not supposed to look like anything. There's no set, no there's no set way that it's supposed to be.

Troy Washington:

There's no set people that you're supposed to be around. It's just what you want and how you want it to be done, and you allow that to be the leading force in your life. And go ahead, Jay.

JClay:

Yeah. Yeah. And, and I I yeah. I'll leave with this too. Like, make make decisions from love, not from fear.

JClay:

And if you're in a fear state, don't make the decision. Defer it. Defer that decision to later. Like, make it in the when you when you feel that joy, you feel that love. Let let that fear go.

JClay:

Let let it dissipate and and and just see the difference on how you in your perspective. But, again, appreciate everybody for rocking with us on this Sunday. Like Troy said, like, comment, subscribe, all that good stuff. And remember, you're a perfect creation made by a perfect creator, so you might as well accept your perfection and enter into If I reminded you that you are perfect, would you argue me down or step into your perfection? Welcome to perfect welcome to perfect where there are no excuses, no expectations, and we explore the world without limitations.

JClay:

I'm Jay Clay, rapper, the spiritual teacher with my cohost Troy Washington, your friendly neighborhood realtor. Let's be real. So let's be perfect. Perfect. Everything.

JClay:

Anything. Anything. Perfect. Everything. Anything.

JClay:

Anything. Perfect. Everything. Anything. Anything.

JClay:

Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect.

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JClay
JClay's music ignites a transformative experience, fostering spiritual growth, mindfulness, and a positive mindset through powerful and uplifting rap.
S5E26: Overcoming Anxiety - Replacing Fear with Faith
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